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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:07 pm    Post subject: My look on leaderboard inflamement Reply with quote

So today i ran into an anon in the chat and i forget hoe it was brought up but we started a discussion about wheater what studMUFFIN is doing is good for the game (like he thinks) or killing the competitive nature(which i think) so heres how i break it down i see it as something that will stop competitve players like me and some of the older players that played the game for pts and to compete for the #1 spot from actually playing if i know i wont be number 1 and someone who plays an unloseable map is i wont play game (like i dont now) but his take is that its good for the game and it will eventually lead to the entire removement of the leaderboard that way people will just play for the sake of playing and not for points but thats the thing playing for points is a choice if anyone wants to they can play like gunners and just play so those are the two arguements

But my problem is when trine took down/edited his cat n mouse maps people didnt know what to do so they made copies of the map which are even easier for the 3 to win so even if you take down the copies they will just make more, i dont think you get rid of the 3v1's because they can actually be very fun but i can only see one answer and idk if its possible but heres my thought

Make a seperate leaderboard so the points played in 3v1's are tied into that and the people who do it for points can still have some sense of accomplishment but idk how itd work it seems like that would be very complicated but thats all i got

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crying or Very sad its so boring playing theses days. theirs not enough ffa maps being played.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: My look on leaderboard inflamement Reply with quote

I think when players play the same map over and over just to rack up points it does kill the competitive nature a little. But its not gonna stop playing from playing my favorite game.

We can't stop people from playing the same map repeatedly.
Maybe we just should not have a leaderboard.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the moment I don't really care what other people do regarding the leaderboard. And I never really liked FFA maps that much anyway, unless it's something like gun game.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not free for all its a 3v1
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 6:17 am    Post subject: Re: My look on leaderboard inflamement Reply with quote

N104!!! wrote:
I think when players play the same map over and over just to rack up points it does kill the competitive nature a little. But its not gonna stop playing from playing my favorite game.

We can't stop people from playing the same map repeatedly.
Maybe we just should not have a leaderboard.


Sorry to say that your map is bad.
I argree wit Da Dealer, that map 3vs1 should change to coop map and no pts.
If u only like funny, keep playing coop map.

I wonder how the admin allowwed pumping score map while they prevent pumping score match.

I aslo boring on the rule count pts.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Susu the problem is that if you have at least one player on both teams points have to be recorded
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think 3vs1 should be co-op matches cause it will still be unfair on most maps that are 3vs1 since no one wants to play hard co-op maps either.

The only way I can see something happing is everyone make a post in the mission sharing where the map link is posted and complain about the map. If scottlu or other admins want to do something they will.

If your asking for enhancement request then your in the worng section
If you asking for a change to be made on a map your in the worng section.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But theres many different kinds and copies of the map
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can someone describe the problem? What is wrong with the 3vs1 map?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: My look on leaderboard inflamement Reply with quote

N104!!! wrote:
I think when players play the same map over and over just to rack up points it does kill the competitive nature a little. But its not gonna stop playing from playing my favorite game.

We can't stop people from playing the same map repeatedly.
Maybe we just should not have a leaderboard.


maybe we should have it so after you play a map so many times a day for eg. 3 every other time u play it after that it doesnt count on the leaderboard

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottlu wrote:
Can someone describe the problem? What is wrong with the 3vs1 map?


Its not all 3v1 maps its just the cat n mouse and the cat n mouse copies where its impossible for the 3 to lose so one player can never lose a game

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've seen both sides win
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 12:55 am    Post subject: Re: My look on leaderboard inflamement Reply with quote

N104!!! wrote:
Maybe we just should not have a leaderboard.


Just because some players don't care about or use the leaderboard doesn't mean that it should be removed. I believe the leaderboard is the fuel to why the vast majority people play maps in this game, not just chat. If there was no leaderboard then this game would obviously turn into a plain ol' chat room because there would be no incentive to actually play. For me personally, the whole mentality of wanting to be high on the leaderboard was the drive that kept me playing when I was a reasonably new player.


yoshiya wrote:
i've seen both sides win

Da Dealer wrote:
Its not all 3v1 maps its just the cat n mouse and the cat n mouse copies where its impossible for the 3 to lose so one player can never lose a game



I'll try to shed some truth on the issue. I've done some modest research about 3v1s, all coming from STUDmuffin's last 100 games at the time of this post. I chose Stud because he looks to be the poster-child of all of this 3v1 buzz.


Results

Arrow STUDmuffin has played a total of 235 games and has won 227 (~97%)

Arrow Out of his last 100 games, 62 were scored games.

Arrow In 23 of his scored games he played "tysons cat and mouse desert remix". He won all 23 of them (100%). He never played as the 1 (cyan).

Arrow In 2 of his scored games he played "tysons cat and mouse remix". He won them both (100%). He never played as the 1 (cyan).

Arrow In 2 of his games he played ".1v3 Strobe". He won them both (100%). He was the 1 both times (yellow).

Arrow In 2 of his scored games he played "Killer-Mart II The Return of Killer". He won them both (100%). He was the 1 both times (blue).

Arrow In 3 of his scored games he played "The Gen Door (B R Y vs C)". He won all 3 of them (100%). He was never the 1 (cyan).

Arrow In 13 of his scored games he played "Killer-Mart". He won 12/13 (~92%). In the one match he did lose he was the 1 (blue). In 6 of the 13 matches, he was the 1 (blue).

Arrow In 17 of his scored games he played "Cat and Mouse: Desert". He won all 17 of them (100%). He was never the 1 (cyan).

*All of his scored matches was some form of a 3v1 map*

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So 3v1 maps don't score properly? (too many points awarded?)

Btw Enzo thanks for that write up.

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