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susu
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 7:59 am    Post subject: Mod/admin, plz hide my acc on lb. Reply with quote

http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=8202

Due to my posted on that topic, you allowwed pumping map and ignored all ideas.

I understand that your fault, not Studmuffin.

So if nothing else happend, I decide to hide my acc on lb to against boring and unfair game.

Moreover, I hard to get even 1 pst each game, while the other get it in esay by pumping map.

I think people on top lb must have a reall skill or reall strong.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

try to get 9acct on top 25 LB if u have Real SkillZ..
like meh have 9 acct on top25..
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 4:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Mod/admin, plz hide my acc on lb. Reply with quote

susu wrote:
http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=8202

Due to my posted on that topic, you allowwed pumping map and ignored all ideas.

I understand that your fault, not Studmuffin.

So if nothing else happend, I decide to hide my acc on lb to against boring and unfair game.

Moreover, I hard to get even 1 pst each game, while the other get it in esay by pumping map.

I think people on top lb must have a reall skill or reall strong.



thats why i stopped trying

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WhatsMyName wrote:
try to get 9acct on top 25 LB if u have Real SkillZ..
like meh have 9 acct on top25..


Arrrrrr

I hv no skill but did hv all 7 accs on lb LONG TIME AGO

Laughing

susu wrote:
http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=8202

Due to my posted on that topic, you allowwed pumping map and ignored all ideas.

I understand that your fault, not Studmuffin.

So if nothing else happend, I decide to hide my acc on lb to against boring and unfair game.

Moreover, I hard to get even 1 pst each game, while the other get it in esay by pumping map.

I think people on top lb must have a reall skill or reall strong.


SUSU,

I know u disapointed about rule of pts. I had posted several time about that stupid rule,

in here: http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=7823

and here: http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=7908

But seem no one of mod-admin care about it.

Im sorry I stop fighting for that unfair.

But now I follow u. Mod-admin, plz hide all my 7 accs also, untill that stupid rule is fixed.

Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What rule do you want fixed?
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scottlu wrote:
What rule do you want fixed?


As your question, I know you have no attention what we said.
But I focus you in 2 things:

1. as my rate, get 0 pts if play 1vs1 with player lower than 1650 (this stupid) but the other (ex: Studmuffin, as same rate) play on pumping map 3vs1 still get 1 or 2 pts when the loser even lower than 1500 (this unfair).

In many other game, they have plus 1pts for winner called : match pts or system pts. So at least the winner get happy 1pts for not waste time or risk when playing with any rating.

The rule of pts must be fixed in this game.

2. I wonder why mod/admin allowed pumping map 3vs1. This should be remove or change to coop map no pts.
If you keep those pumping map, so they keep playing. This year is Studmuffin, next year is other, cant stop...

and this unfair to other.


Do I say in clearly?

And Studmuffin, I dont mad on you because you do nothing wrong. Any player can do what you done.
I just use your name to prove this game need fixed to be better.
Lets reach the limit 2300 pts, but I prefer no limit so I can reach 5000 pts or above.
(why must be limitted? if you and me are on max 2300pts, who is the 1st?)

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, I want to apologize to SUSU or any other player who may feel I am intentionally trying to undermine there accomplishments or handwork. That isn't may intention.

My intention has been to expose the flaw in the points system in a way that could only make the admins take notice and maybe make more of an effort to do something about it (this topic has been discussed but little was done).

I have no say in how my games are scored. Some would say that I hide my account if I want to only see how high the points system will allow me to go. We are all bound by the leaderboard and the rules of the points system. But since I not breaking any rules why should I hide my account.

The game does need updating. Perhaps by the this discussion regarding the types of maps I play will get this to happen and not just have these maps pulled or reassigned as coop etc. Pulling or banning a map isn't trying to fix the issue which has to do with the points system. There will always be another map to take the one pulled.

There is a flaw in the system and I exposed this flaw. Other games have multiple leaderboards for various accomplishments. Why shouldn't this game have it also (ex. Lb for most games scored/won; lb for most points acquired; lb for most games won by a team; etc.). Multiple LB could help attract more players who are interested in achieving something else on this game besides points.

This would be a perfect time for an update to the game. Banning maps isn't the answer but updating the points rule and having what susu suggested as a match point would be a much better.

Again my apologies to you, Susu. Maybe something will finally happen with updating to this game.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to love points..
But now i play for fun and i assure u that i u do this,
Its more better.
Points wouldnt bring u no where anyway.
LB is a joke.(in my opinion)
So why dont play for fun and not for points?
And stud why dont just ask scott how the point system works
and whats the limit.
Why do the trouble if u only want to know the point limit.
Ask scott maybe he know.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

susu wrote:
scottlu wrote:
What rule do you want fixed?


As your question, I know you have no attention what we said.
But I focus you in 2 things:

1. as my rate, get 0 pts if play 1vs1 with player lower than 1650 (this stupid) but the other (ex: Studmuffin, as same rate) play on pumping map 3vs1 still get 1 or 2 pts when the loser even lower than 1500 (this unfair).

In many other game, they have plus 1pts for winner called : match pts or system pts. So at least the winner get happy 1pts for not waste time or risk when playing with any rating.

The rule of pts must be fixed in this game.

2. I wonder why mod/admin allowed pumping map 3vs1. This should be remove or change to coop map no pts.
If you keep those pumping map, so they keep playing. This year is Studmuffin, next year is other, cant stop...

and this unfair to other.


Do I say in clearly?

And Studmuffin, I dont mad on you because you do nothing wrong. Any player can do what you done.
I just use your name to prove this game need fixed to be better.
Lets reach the limit 2300 pts, but I prefer no limit so I can reach 5000 pts or above.
(why must be limitted? if you and me are on max 2300pts, who is the 1st?)

Wink


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First off, pumping is not allowed. Pumpers will get attention of admins who may reset or ban your account. Pumpers make the game worse for everyone else, and make our job as admins more work.

Second of all, the zero point problem. If the scoring system at least gives you one point, then you'll have a higher score just by playing more players. It won't be a skill contest. Is that what you want? It seems like another form of pumping to me, but I'm all ears if you think that'll make the problem better.

Thirdly, the 3v1 map scoring problem. This is clearly a scoring problem that needs to be addressed. I will check it out. Anyone who has knowingly abused this scoring flaw is getting points unfairly. The way to get my attention about a scoring problem is to PM me, not abuse it and score points for yourself.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im sure you didnt understand the problem, like WhatMyName does.

Now I know The simple way to be on top of lb is only play PUMPING MAP 3vs1.
No need any skill or strong or try to get even 1pts.
Very easy.

No interesting me while on top anymore. So I still want mod/admin HIDE MY ACC.

IM DONE.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone willing to discuss the problem calmly?
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

berlyhendrawan wrote:
confused..
deleted thats stupid map..
its 3 vs 1, the mean why im confused is when u play with low rating (<1500pts) u still got pts.. funny when u used ur high rating (example = plyr 1. >2100pts, plyr 2. >1800pts, plyr 3. > 1600pts VS cyan <1500-1300pts) the 3 plyrs still get pts..
system is broken i think
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, I agree with this.

WhatsMyName wrote:
berlyhendrawan wrote:
confused..
deleted thats stupid map..
its 3 vs 1, the mean why im confused is when u play with low rating (<1500pts) u still got pts.. funny when u used ur high rating (example = plyr 1. >2100pts, plyr 2. >1800pts, plyr 3. > 1600pts VS cyan <1500-1300pts) the 3 plyrs still get pts..
system is broken i think


You can see here for more: http://www.warfareincorporated.com/xyzzy/viewtopic.php?t=8202

If you still in silly, I will have 2 words for ya in next post.

Secondly, minimum 1pts for each match is not akind of pump.
Im sure you understand what is called PUMP. Or must I explain it?

But if not, the high player, cant earn even minimum 1pts, will stop playing or get down the pts or quit the game. because they boring with 0pts, and cant get higher when they give a love, a time to play.

All higher player/good player will retired, and gone...

For example:

If you make a pop up note in every match something like this:
This match will give 0pts to the winner by difference rating
Do you really want continue?
OK CANCEL



Im sure no one press OK button for waste time and risk, unless they are in friend and play for fun.

Laughing

Finally, we must THANKS to STUDmuffin, he HAD FOUND THE FLAWED of system that took many discussion.
The MAN of YEAR!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok the admins/mods and I discussed your idea, and the short of it is, I'll implement the match point idea and we'll see how it everyone likes it.

The 3v1 problem is a good bug, thank you for finding it, I will fix the scoring algorithm once I find out why it is scoring like that.

Thanks for the feedback.

Scott

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